Maybe I'm just uncultured, but for the life of me I just don't get it. Having additional disjoints and projectiles is great and all as well as having great combo game and a stupid DAir, but I never got what gives him equal footing with Marth or an upper edge over Ichigo or Link. I personally never got why Lloyd was as high as he was, as he seems worse than a lot of the other sword characters. I personally would put him in between Bandana Dee and Pichu rather than the top of C. He feels too wonky and unreliable to justify the placement he has, despite his range and grapple game. I'm not saying they deserve higher or lower, just that they took a serious fall compared to where they once were, and I don't quite know what caused them to fall that far that fast. The drop that Goku and Fox took seem jarring. I get that he's not good, but I feel the bottom placement is more of people refusing to utilize him and less of him actually being bad because I don't feel he's that much worse than Sandbag or Black Mage. His aerials besides BAir are stupidly good, has adequate disjoints, crazy off-stage game, and has a stellar combo game being able to rack up 40-50% damage off a single down throw. Yeah he has a hard time approaching, he's way too light, and has more distinct disadvantages compared to other characters, but he has good things going for him that let him stand out. Perhaps it's a bit too low, but I don't see him going any lower than this and it's not a baffling position in the long run.įrom personal experience playing him, I don't think G&W is the absolute worst in the game. He's very fast and has good kill options, but is a true glass cannon in the end that requires proper maintenance to pilot well in a game with unforgiving damage outputs like SSF2. I know I'm late for the discussion, but just some personal quips about the placings: I'd be interested to see what other people's thoughts are on this. I would put him on B/B- tier to put him right in the center of the cast, which I think represents his position well. Notably, his MUs against Kirby, Pikachu, Sheilda, Jiggs, Ichigo, Falco, and Samus are absolutely horrendous and most other characters can get away with high damage/guaranteed kill combos on him that usually wouldn't work on the rest of the roster. He's a character that is capable of beating every other one in the roster, but also can absolutely and easily lose to each one of them as well. Not to mention a lack of disjoints (he usually ends up trading or losing to other aerials) and tiny grab range, in a game where grab beats everything (which greatly narrow his approach capabilities). Yes he has a fantastic advantage and good neutral, but he's heavy-level combo fodder with the most exploitable recovery in the game. I feel like Falcon is being overrated here due to how absolutely awful his disadvantage state is.
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